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This paper's interest in current orientations to the state is limited to the construction of a broad power for social welfare. The article provokes emotions by asking questions like: 'Would a powerful relationship need to be virtuous so that, for example, social relationship that result in painful outcomes are by definition ruled out?' or 'What weight must we put on the achievement of substantive, as opposed to strategic, outcomes in the measurement of power?' and '(..) can states that plainly manage collective action in ways that result in negative outcomes, such as great economic decline and/or genocide, but in line with their policies, ever be deemed powerful?' The author concludes that in places like West Africa there are usually strong societies but weak states.